Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Maeve Connor's avatar

Really enjoyed this piece and the approach to elitism, it always drives me crazy that essentially every novel character seems to have gone to Harvard or Yale when they make up such a tiny percentage of the actual population. More bizarre and far more interesting things happen on state school campuses and I learned a lot more about life from attending community college classes as a high school fuck up than I ever did from the 'typical' college experience, during which I primarily interacted with other people essentially the same as me.

I really enjoyed this quote: "No, they’ll cling onto their Yale degrees for dear life, knowing that it will propel them to the elite status they’ve been striving for all their lives." The era of 'aesthetic' politics and 'dark academia' claims to try and critique elite institutions but only ever seems to end up reifying their position culturally. But the weirdest part of it is that it comes primarily from people who are inside the house, who still leverage their prestige to market themselves and their work on a deeply competitive market. Because of course they do! But it neuters so much of their critique-- if these institutions are so awful and the people they produce so naturally horrible, then of course we all ought not to pursue what's been written by people in them, which simply confirms and maintains the prestige culture while critiquing it. But they'll never give an inch on that because they still believe they deserve their prestige from attending these (apparently awful and disgusting) institutions.

My sister, who knows that I like to read but isn't very aware of what my actual tastes are, bought me a copy of a YA book called Babel by an Asian-American author who is currently pursuing a PhD at Yale and previously got a masters from Oxford. It was a bad book for numerous reasons (the way that many if not most YA books are) but the one thing that consistently infuriated me was the didactic tone around how elite institutions are inherently evil while masturbating to the elitist prestige they maintain. The book is supposed to depict a revolution, because all books in that genre are supposed to be 'revolutionary' somehow (there are many critiques to be made about socialist realism, but at least their didacticisms and moralist depictions went towards a revolution that actually happened), led by a mixed-race Asian student who was kidnapped and coerced into attending Oxford by his white father.

Now as far as I'm aware, RF Kuang was never forced to go to Oxford at gunpoint. She chose and tried very hard to get there and fully bought into that system (clearly, since she's now getting a PhD at fucking Yale.) So then what is she actually critiquing in this book that she's written, where she's essentially puppeted her self-insert into a much less morally ambiguous situation? Clearly not herself and her actions maintaining and supporting the corrupt, racist, imperialist institutions she's so glad to attend and have gotten into. Clearly there's no actual perspective or action in this narrative at all geared towards her experience of university, even though it's marketed as being based on her experiences. But the text is so eager to beat you over the head over how awful these institutions are it just feels bizarre-- if you hate it that much, stop going! Get a PhD at a state school! Or just stop participating in academia altogether! Nobody is actually holding her at gunpoint like is depicted in the book. And she's still publishing books by virtue of the fancy degree stamped on her resume-- she's certainly not going to stop putting it in her author biography.

Nobody likes to face up to their complicity in a terrible system they've worked hard to get into, of course. This is why you get anxious wealthy people claiming the poor should have simply tried harder not be poor, pull themselves up by the bootstraps, etc. But it's so bizarre to read these books where so much effort is put into (rightfully! understandably!) bashing elite institutions without questioning the perspectives of the authors who put so much work into entering and maintaining them.

Expand full comment
Olivia's avatar

Portions of this really hit me hard as one who often feels like one of the "almost-elites", one subsequently obsessed with Ivy Leagues and my seemingly crutching inability to get over the idea to still apply to one of them even in my 30s. Felt some shame in reading it too. These lines particularly:

"Nobody is more obsessed with these narratives than the almost-elites who, as Kirn notes, are granted “front-row seats” to “everything” but not allowed on stage.”

"I do have to wonder if that in and of itself was indicative of some kind of personal shortcoming."

What tantalizes me most is my relentless (yet covert) chase to join the upper echelon elites of the Ivys, to befriend them thinking I will absorb the unique experience and genius they hold from attending these grand, Harry Potter like societies. Especially growing up in a small town, I feel like I'm trying to catch up to all I must have missed out on. It doesn't help that many of my Ivy League friends are relentless at dropping the schools they attended. Lately, these thoughts have become more and more pathetic or shallow to me and I like you, I wonder if it's indicative of my personal shortcomings.

Yet, I'm also one who genuinely values extraordinary intellect, compelling futuristic research, and the academic rigor these institutions uphold. Much of my fascination is also my love for learning.

I'm still reconciling all of my feelings of loss (of relationships, of friends, of experiences, of potential) from having not pursued these institutions more myself but slowly settling into the idea that as you get older, these matter to you less.

Expand full comment
19 more comments...

No posts